[Cesso]

From my experience, toe is what kills tires. I ran -3.4 on my Evo 8 daily and it was fine. I run -2.6 on my Fiesta ST daily and it's fine. All have zero toe.

Hard to compare the AD08R's to the Z2's as the AD08R's are 255 and the Z2's are 215, plus the Evo has so much more mechanical grip than the Fiesta ST, it makes it almost impossible to compare, to be totally honest.

The one thing I can say is that the AD08R's are quiet while driving normally and the Z2's sound like 10,000 angry bees chasing after you.

Thank you, I will keep that in mind. I have been warned so often about running in excess of -1 degrees of camber (but haven't had wear issues of my own) that I have taken it seriously. Usually I run as much camber and caster as I can while zero-ing the toe as this is what makes the handling feel more confidence inspiring in the corners.

 

[Mr UFO]

Great write up. That's a big disparity in lap times. No disrespect but you're either very slow in your Fiesta or very fast in your Evo.
OR I was very slow in my Evo and very fast in the Fiesta.
I overlaid my data from 2 tracks, one very similar track to T-Hill and the Fiesta was within 5 seconds of the Evo on both. And the Evo was on bfg r1's and the Fiesta on z2's!

 

[razorlab]

Great write up. That's a big disparity in lap times. No disrespect but you're either very slow in your Fiesta or very fast in your Evo.
OR I was very slow in my Evo and very fast in the Fiesta.
I overlaid my data from 2 tracks, one very similar track to T-Hill and the Fiesta was within 5 seconds of the Evo on both. And the Evo was on bfg r1's and the Fiesta on z2's!

Yea I don't put a lot of weight into the disparity to be honest. The main reason is I just started tracking again after seven years or so. I had never tracked a FWD so there where two things going on. Getting my track legs back and also driving a totally new platform. Then tracking the Evo 10 I was already more comfortable in it even though it was a newer version.

I was still getting used to the Fiesta ST on track before I stopped tracking it. I know it easily had 5-6 more seconds in it as it was if I would have kept getting used to it. That said, my Evo 10 also easily has another 5-6 more seconds in it as it sits as I get more comfortable with it. I was for sure not driving it at it's potential. So I bet both being equal the 10 sec spread would still stand, if not get larger.

More perspective is that currently I am 9 secs slower in the Evo 10 than I was in my Evo 8 at the same track, granted my 8 had about 60whp more power, 300lbs lighter and on R-compounds.

I can 100% guarantee the same driver, being 100% comfortable in both cars, on the same track, the Evo will be much much much faster than the Fiesta ST, every single time. They are two totally different cars, but both are fun as hell to drive for what they are, but the reality is that the Evo is in a whole nother' league compared to the Fiesta ST.

I didn't post this to make that point, as I don't need to make that point. Honestly if anybody thinks otherwise I will just stand in the corner and chuckle.

 

[Mr UFO]

I totally agree. But, I was very surprised by how capable the Fiesta is.
I logged over 25 track days in two Evo X's on 6 different tracks.
I have logged 10 track days in the Fiesta on 5 different tracks.
I have compared, contrasted and data logged. The Evo is faster AND much more fun. It also burns through money faster as well
But with comparable mods and rubber it was never "much, much, much" faster.

 

[razorlab]

But, I was very surprised by how capable the Fiesta is.

100% agree. It's very capable for what it is. I was also surprised.

 

[djdennehy]

I tracked an MK3 Supra Turbo and plan to get the Fiesta on the track this year as well (about a 7 year hiatus for me too coincidentally), the platform seems to be so much better suited for Autocross (small tight track) versus an actual racetrack. That EVO must be a lot more fun since it has such longer legs than the FiST. Keep those pics coming along too, I like how you have modified both cars (clean, purposeful looks!)

 

[twendt]

Just read the whole thread. Not knowing what happened on the other forum, not if sure if that's the reason behind it, but why did you in essence "give up" on the ST? Or are you still tuning and modding it?
Both you cars look great and sound like a blast on track

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