[meFiSTo]

I was out of town when this was posted to YouTube and found it the other day. I have not been able to find it here, so I'll share it:

If it has already been posted, my apologies.

Too bad we don't get the Polo GTi (or Polo for that matter) for a more apples to apples comparison. But still, the Fiesta ST appears to come out on top from the reviewers' POV over the Golf GTi.

Some interesting back and forth down in the comments near the top. To tell the truth, I usually dread reading comments in most online postings/articles. People get all worked up and irrational (from politics to sports to cars). This thing wasn't too bad.

 

[djdennehy]

Cannot wait for next week (going to Octane Academy) to be able to get some genuine seat time in a FiST on the track (even better when it isn't your own). Glad you added this video, I hadn't seen it. A friend who has a MK6 GTI and I traded keys and we both felt similarly about the current GTI versus the FiST, more torque but not as good handling.

 

[ghostwhite]

The fiesta is better on track for sure. I'm just super jealous that a mk7 gti makes 316 hp stage 1. 316hp 368ftlbs crank is insane! Plus 87 hp and 115 ftlbs

 

[Teezlr]

The fiesta is better on track for sure. I'm just super jealous that a mk7 gti makes 316 hp stage 1. 316hp 368ftlbs crank is insane! Plus 87 hp and 115 ftlbs

Livernois tune is making something close at the crank. I think it was +78 wheel torque

 

[ghostwhite]

Livernois tune is making something close at the crank. I think it was +78 wheel torque

Livernoise sage 1 for fiesta is +20hp and 70ftlbs at the crank

 

[Teezlr]

Livernoise sage 1 for fiesta is +20hp and 70ftlbs at the crank

Yeah I see 73 crank torque and 20 hp, not much compared to the gti, also a 2.0 with a larger turbo so makes sense

 

[ghostwhite]

Yeah it's also making stage 3 focus st numbers with just a tune. They seem like the strongest 2.0 turbo out with a small ko3 out now. Interested to see what they put down with a downpipe and intercooler

 

[Teezlr]

Yeah it's also making stage 3 focus st numbers with just a tune. They seem like the strongest 2.0 turbo out with a small ko3 out now. Interested to see what they put down with a downpipe and intercooler

Dude... just looked at APR's stage 1 tune claiming a full second in the 1/4 mile and 13 mph faster.... 13 mph from a tune! Crazy haha

 

[ghostwhite]

Dude... just looked at APR's stage 1 tune claiming a full second in the 1/4 mile and 13 mph faster.... 13 mph from a tune! Crazy haha

Yeah I know it's insane

 

[sourskittle]

In my experience, with lots of VW friends, the APR stuff is nice and drives great, but every single time EVER they goto the track, they leave disappointed by about 1.5sec. APR has built some amazing machines, but I think they mis-lead people on what to expect.

In the flipside, that 2.0L new GTi motor seems to be an animal. But just like the focus ST, they can make all the power in the world,
But...
THEY CAN NOT LOSE 500lbs.


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[Teezlr]

In my experience, with lots of VW friends, the APR stuff is nice and drives great, but every single time EVER they goto the track, they leave disappointed by about 1.5sec. APR has built some amazing machines, but I think they mis-lead people on what to expect.

In the flipside, that 2.0L new GTi motor seems to be an animal. But just like the focus ST, they can make all the power in the world,
But...
THEY CAN NOT LOSE 500lbs.


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Yeah, still doesn't make it as fun to drive I'm sure... same car more powa

 

[razorlab]

In the flipside, that 2.0L new GTi motor seems to be an animal. But just like the focus ST, they can make all the power in the world,
But...
THEY CAN NOT LOSE 500lbs.

I agree with you about lightweight cars but the MK7 GTI weighs 3030lbs, so a good amount lighter than the current 3200lb Focus ST.

 

[sourskittle]

I agree with you about lightweight cars but the MK7 GTI weighs 3030lbs, so a good amount lighter than the current 3200lb Focus ST.

Same difference. I'd personally like to see a GTi spec'd out the way people actualy will buy them, on a real scale.

Point is... We can make a lot more power with relative ease. They can not lose 100's of lbs with relative ease


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[razorlab]

Same difference. I'd personally like to see a GTi spec'd out the way people actualy will buy them, on a real scale

They are lighter than the MK6's and that weight is with normal spec that most of the % of GTI buyers spec out.

My point was the FiST is not 500lbs lighter than a GTI.

 

[sourskittle]

Pretty sure it was motortrend that weighed one. I don't care enough to look it up, but they said they were "slightly disappointed in how much weight it DID NOT lose vs the last model they tested".

I haven't put one on the scale, but the point is still valid. We can make basically the same power with relative ease, while the can not lose 100's of pounds with relative ease .


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[razorlab]

I haven't put one on the scale, but the point is still valid. We can make basically the same power with relative ease, while the can not lose 100's of pounds with relative ease .

Splitting hairs at this point but no, we cannot make +80whp/+100wtq from a simple flash on pump gas with no other modifications. The FiST won't even do half that.

 

[sourskittle]

But we can do a simple turbo swap and pro tune and make 80whp. Car would drive, ride, turn, mpg the same with the same amount of comfort. They can make that power, but to get to our weight , they have to lose everything that makes a $32k GTi.... $32k, lol.


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[razorlab]

Oh c'mon now you are just bending facts to try and make your point.

A common GTI is not $32k.

MSRP starts at $25k and ends at $32k. Nobody pays MSRP. Hardly anybody gets the $32k MSRP Autobahn model. The base GTI is the top seller and it is $25k MSRP.

"But we can do a simple turbo swap and pro tune and make 80whp." Yea ok. Simple. Sure.

 

[sourskittle]

I've taken the turbo off a fist... Have you? It actually is simple... Honestly.


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[ghostwhite]

No such thing a simple turbo swap. Especially with all the maintenance. Stock turbo plus tune is simple