And if you can't make 260whp with a GTx kit from ATP that is making 310whp for them, than.... You should prob get into ice hockey or tennis because cars are not for you...
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Everyday Driver Fiesta ST vs. Golf GTI at track
I was out of town when this was posted to YouTube and found it the other day. I have not been able to find it here, so I'll share it:
If it has already been posted, my apologies.
Too bad we don't get the Polo GTi (or Polo for that matter) for a more apples to apples comparison. But still, the Fiesta ST appears to come out on top from the reviewers' POV over the Golf GTi.
Some interesting back and forth down in the comments near the top. To tell the truth, I usually dread reading comments in most online postings/articles. People get all worked up and irrational (from politics to sports to cars). This thing wasn't too bad.
If it has already been posted, my apologies.
Too bad we don't get the Polo GTi (or Polo for that matter) for a more apples to apples comparison. But still, the Fiesta ST appears to come out on top from the reviewers' POV over the Golf GTi.
Some interesting back and forth down in the comments near the top. To tell the truth, I usually dread reading comments in most online postings/articles. People get all worked up and irrational (from politics to sports to cars). This thing wasn't too bad.
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Gotta agreed once you get the cowl off (six clips and two screws and the wiper arms) and find the lil snail it is easy to work around
I will agree with you there.... I guess the level of mechanics you operate under is a variable. I'd do an entire turbo install in a fist for $350.No such thing a simple turbo swap. Especially with all the maintenance. Stock turbo plus tune is simple
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I've done turbo swaps on every single car I've owned. While some are "easier" than others, none of them are what I would call "simple".I've taken the turbo off a fist... Have you? It actually is simple... Honestly.
I see you totally ignored the whole GTI pricing thing.
Either way, you just keep bending facts to try and make your point so I'm done here.
Ok the Total swap isn't easy but changing out the parts is what I meant .. tuning is another beasty on to itself..(provided someone has a Swap Kit as I can not just go to turbos are us and figure out what I need as I am more or less a parts changer I guess)
People said the samething about the fist when i got mine... " for that much money, I'd have bought the focus". To which I replied, "no... The focus you would actually want to buy is $30k".
Funny story... My friend that said that, just bought a $31k focus ST 2 weeks ago, lol. Its a bad ass Focus ST, but for the money, i'd have had to test drive the GTi as well... Or a WRX.
I didn't ignore it. Price is not really relative what we were talking about. GTi power/weight vs fist power/weight. We can add power and have the same car. They can not lose weight and have the same car.
Its nothing against the GTi.
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Funny story... My friend that said that, just bought a $31k focus ST 2 weeks ago, lol. Its a bad ass Focus ST, but for the money, i'd have had to test drive the GTi as well... Or a WRX.
I didn't ignore it. Price is not really relative what we were talking about. GTi power/weight vs fist power/weight. We can add power and have the same car. They can not lose weight and have the same car.
Its nothing against the GTi.
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I've BUILT turbo swap from misc parts and that's not easy or fast... But when "so and so motorsports" builds a "direct bolt on kit" like ATP does for the fist, its not really any different than taking the stock turbo off and putting it back on, minus a couple extra fittings...Ok the Total swap isn't easy but changing out the parts is what I meant .. tuning is another beasty on to itself..(provided someone has a Swap Kit as I can not just go to turbos are us and figure out what I need as I am more or less a parts changer I guess)
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If your friend paid $31k for a ST2 then he got ripped something fierce. My FiST was $24k and my FoST3 was $25.5k. Had I gone for the 'comparably equipped' ST2 I would have only paid $500 more than the FiST.People said the samething about the fist when i got mine... " for that much money, I'd have bought the focus". To which I replied, "no... The focus you would actually want to buy is $30k".
Funny story... My friend that said that, just bought a $31k focus ST 2 weeks ago, lol. Its a bad ass Focus ST, but for the money, i'd have had to test drive the GTi as well... Or a WRX.
I didn't ignore it. Price is not really relative what we were talking about. GTi power/weight vs fist power/weight. We can add power and have the same car. They can not lose weight and have the same car.
Its nothing against the GTi.
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Also, adding power costs money. Removing weight, to a point anyways, is free.
I'm not arguing about the fost cost, I agree. He had some "other factors" that play'd into that cost, buy none the less.
And losing weight isn't free. The cost may not be money, but there is a cost
Like the first time I got a flat tire with the spare/jack removed, lol.
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And losing weight isn't free. The cost may not be money, but there is a cost
Like the first time I got a flat tire with the spare/jack removed, lol.
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Don't get me wrong, I love the FiST and it's the car I prefer to drive in the majority of situations. But realistically speaking, it's the 'fun' car while the FoST is the 'fast' car. A competent driver that is familiar with both vehicles equally can and will set better lap times in the FoST in the majority of racing scenarios. Added weight or not, it's just the faster of the two.
The main difference, imho, is that the FiST driver will have more fun. In a direct comparison the FiST is just more engaging and more of a drivers car. The FoST by comparison is very numb and more mature. Ymmv.
The main difference, imho, is that the FiST driver will have more fun. In a direct comparison the FiST is just more engaging and more of a drivers car. The FoST by comparison is very numb and more mature. Ymmv.
I completely agree stock vs stock. It changes the whole thing, but I'd like to see how the game would change on equal tires. The fost has an ENORMOUS tire advantage, not only in size but real lateral and forward traction.Don't get me wrong, I love the FiST and it's the car I prefer to drive in the majority of situations. But realistically speaking, it's the 'fun' car while the FoST is the 'fast' car. A competent driver that is familiar with both vehicles equally can and will set better lap times in the FoST in the majority of racing scenarios. Added weight or not, it's just the faster of the two.
The main difference, imho, is that the FiST driver will have more fun. In a direct comparison the FiST is just more engaging and more of a drivers car. The FoST by comparison is very numb and more mature. Ymmv.
Just like a vette is epically faster, I can drive my fist at 8.5/10 in sport mode on isolated roads and have a blast. Drive a vette at 8.5/10 on the same road and you better have on-star to call an ambulance. So I guess the phrase car testers would use is "accessible speed".
I do laugh at the fist sometimes. I set the cruise control in my ford flex to 80mph and hit an off-ramp and its goes around it fine and while it feels like I'm going quick, it doesn't feel "fast". Same 80mph off ramp in the fiesta is "exciting", lol.
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The tires were the very first weak point that I noticed, and that was while doing my break-in. An emergency stop in the FoST from excessive speeds resulted in the car stopping-a very quick, quiet, and painless affair. The same situation in the FiST was excessively twitchy, not as controlled, and sounded like the tires were screaming for their lives. I understand Ford designing that in to keep the chassis lively and entertaining, but as soon as this OEM junk is toast I'm going to a decent 215/40 for my daily wheels. If I'm ever in a real emergency stop scenario I would rather not have to deal with the car trying to make me giggle.
My cheap crappy brand 235/40/17's have way way better traction forward. The car did lose a little handling magic. But this a $76 tire vs a $220 stock tire. These tires also howl when I push them.... Not really what I like in case a cop it bearing witness to the fist epic road control, lol. If I fly around a corner in silence, then it seems controlled. If I do the samething, with the same control, but screaming tires, it seems like I'm trying to be Ken block in a fwd car. But again... $76 a tire, lol.
Do want to add... My friends $31 fost is a really nice car all around. I really like it. Its not what I wanted, but its a much nicer car. Back before it blew the bov diaphragm when it was 3 days old, it was almost as fast as my fist from a roll (let's not talk about from a stop).
For 10 days now, he's been without more than 5psi. Imagine that !!? $31k on a focus, and it breaks 3 days later. You TELL THE DEALERSHIP WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT, and they return it still broken, then forget to order the part.
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Do want to add... My friends $31 fost is a really nice car all around. I really like it. Its not what I wanted, but its a much nicer car. Back before it blew the bov diaphragm when it was 3 days old, it was almost as fast as my fist from a roll (let's not talk about from a stop).
For 10 days now, he's been without more than 5psi. Imagine that !!? $31k on a focus, and it breaks 3 days later. You TELL THE DEALERSHIP WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT, and they return it still broken, then forget to order the part.
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