[kamakazee]

I think you did a great job with the wing. Looking at the way it's attached (and given the thing itself is an "exact" replica), I bet it actually does some real work at track speeds (thinking stability in very high speed sweepers and stand-on-it breaking situations at the end of long straight, heading into a slow-speed sequence). It looks a lot like the wing on one of the Team O'Neill rally cars.

A couple images of that application:

So, so me, this wing is more functional than cosmetic (hah, rare to be able to say that) which makes me wonder about the lip/splitter. Is there any under tray to that thing or is it like the Triple R piece -- purely cosmetic? I'd be wary myself of adding downforce to the back end without something on the nose to help balance/tune the aero effects.

Thanks for sharing. I think that wing is a good option (with your attachment setup) for someone wanting to tune out any rear-end instability.

My opinion: It's not really just a spoiler as it actually sits in the relatively clean air stream just above the tail of the car, and assuming it's "flying upside down," the wing provides real downforce at speed -- not so much for a daily driver. A spoiler is usually just a device that is flush to the hood (or maybe with a bit of a vertical lip) meant to break up the trailing edge vortex (reducing drag and lift).

You're welcome! It is funny that you brought up Team O'Neil. I initially contacted them to try to get some information and purchase the set-up since they are affiliated with M-Sport. After no response, I emailed M-Sport UK directly. A gentleman named Scott replied to my inquiry and laid down the foundation to this project. I wouldn't have been able to do this without his help.

In regards to the functional aspect, I have no doubt there is one. There is this one particular turn I have a tendency to negotiate fairly quick when the mood suits. It is a turn most people take at approx. 25 mph. I have gone as fast as 45-50 mph which would result in the back end sliding out in a very predictable manner. After the installation of the wing, going at the same speed, the car now "digs" into the turn. The back end no longer kicks out unless I jerk really hard on the steering wheel. I have taken this route hundreds of times going to and from work and the results are predictable.

As for the front splitter, as far as I know is more cosmetic but I don't have any real evidence that it is functional. There is no under tray reinforcement. It is also mounted in a similar fashion to the Triple R splitter. There is a Ford race team based in Hong Kong who uses both this wing and Triple R splitter (or what looks exactly like it). Makes me wonder it it actually is a functional splitter since I don't see a race team slapping something on that is purely cosmetic...

 

[meFiSTo]

I've seen those and wondered if there was more going on there in the front beyond the lip. I think 2JRacing added a tray behind that attached to the radiator support. My old car had something like that done to an adapted (now out of business) RoadRaceGear.com air dam. That car was heavily modified for track usage. It has an aluminum APR Performance wing bolted to that hatch as well.

Some pictures of my old setup:

Picture when the car was basically fully done (in 2010). Sold it in 2012 as it had become unruly for driving around town (custom tune on the Powerworks SC, super stiff suspension setup, etc.).

I sometimes wish I still had the car (sold it at huge discount vs. what was spent to get it to that point), but actually prefer the Fiesta ST by a wide margin (MUCH more midrange torque which should make on-track corner exits way more fun). The SC was so linear that it just felt like a bigger NA engine (although the whine let you know it was not). It was faster, but the TQ curve was not very exciting.

You can also see that this car has a cage, etc. The Fiesta ST's interior will remain (comparatively) unmolested.

 

[kamakazee]

I forgot about 2Jracing's setup. You're right I'm sure there is more to it than just the carbon spiltter. I love what you did to the 2 door Focus! I would love to have a dedicated track car as well. Like you said, what is great on the track usually doesn't go well for a street car, especially a daily driver. Do you have any pics of your current set up? I'm trying to fight the urge to go beyond my current Cobb stage 3 set up and focus more on figuring out a way to put more power to the ground. I don't know... at the rate I'm modding the FiST, it might end up as just a weekend fun car. My wife would kill me though as I promise that we'll get her a Mazda 3 as a daily since her Tacoma is such a gas hog.

 

[meFiSTo]

I forgot about 2Jracing's setup. You're right I'm sure there is more to it than just the carbon spiltter. I love what you did to the 2 door Focus! I would love to have a dedicated track car as well. Like you said, what is great on the track usually doesn't go well for a street car, especially a daily driver. Do you have any pics of your current set up? I'm trying to fight the urge to go beyond my current Cobb stage 3 set up and focus more on figuring out a way to put more power to the ground. I don't know... at the rate I'm modding the FiST, it might end up as just a weekend fun car. My wife would kill me though as I promise that we'll get her a Mazda 3 as a daily since her Tacoma is such a gas hog.

Car is basically stock at this point (with the exception of the MP215, a mountune "induction hose," mountune FMIC, the Borla exhaust, and a teeny tiny "M" badge). I have 15x7 TD PR 1.2 summer/drive-to-track wheels (sans rubber so far) in the garage; plus another nearly identical (save color) set on the way (will get R-compounds). Awaiting installation: Quaife, BC Racing coilovers, turbo transformer, StopTech teflon brake lines (with Carbotech XP8 pad and Castrol SRF brake fluid going on before first event), camber bolts, and Cobb poly exhaust hangers. I'm seriously contemplating a Mocal oil cooler (with a sandwich plate thermostat) and some kind of brake cooling ducting/fin. On the maybe list: a fire suppression system (basically a fire extinguisher tied to a pull cable with nozzles in the cab and engine bay) and a PCV plumbing oil catch can. Less likely: battery relocation. Wish list: Seibon vented CF hood (which, if purchased, might get painted anyway). The hood is really the only cosmetic change on the horizon, although the coilovers are likely to drop the car a bit (shooting for close to stock ride height anyway) and the oil cooler/brake ducting are likely to force removal of the fog lamps. Otherwise, it's going to look mostly stock. The aero mods are nifty at the track, but I think I'll just drive to the car's handling limitations (with the Quaife and BC coilovers in mind) and call it a day.

This time around I need to be able to drive the car in town. It's not exactly my daily driver, but the other car became impossible around town (6-point cage, racing seats, etc.). Thus, it'll keep a mild tune, a suspension that can be set to soft for street driving, stock cat, etc.

When the car is done, I'll snap some pics at a track day. Sometime in the spring.

Edit: Forgot the tow hooks. My approach probably won't be cheap.

 

[kamakazee]

I can really appreciate a true sleeper! The Quaife and BBK is next on the list. i can't wait to see your finished project! I'm especially interested if you're going through with the foglight delete/cooling duct as that seems to be a genuinely good way to prevent the brakes from overheating plus blow out the brake dust. I have no regrets switching to Coilovers. I currently have the ST-XTAs which have adjustable damping to soften the ride. The ride height is about .5" lower than stock as well which is great! I had to raise it because the initial setting was way too low and now my front fender wells are torn up. Also doesn't help that my wheels are 18X8

 

[meFiSTo]

I can really appreciate a true sleeper! The Quaife and BBK is next on the list. i can't wait to see your finished project! I'm especially interested if you're going through with the foglight delete/cooling duct as that seems to be a genuinely good way to prevent the brakes from overheating plus blow out the brake dust. I have no regrets switching to Coilovers. I currently have the ST-XTAs which have adjustable damping to soften the ride. The ride height is about .5" lower than stock as well which is great! I had to raise it because the initial setting was way too low and now my front fender wells are torn up. Also doesn't help that my wheels are 18X8

My other car had "Porsche brake fins" that worked great. Their mounting brackets were welded to the LCA. I'd prefer to do something like that, but am not sure it's possible. We'll look. The stock Fiesta ST set-back airdam might need to be modified to let air to the fins. The fins might not have a proper mounting location. etc. Here's what it looked like on the other car:

 

[raamaudio]

Great looking car, I really like the clean black and white and some CF blend you have chosen.

I have been looking at many ideas on a real rear wing for my street/track build and may have to copy you on this, nothing else seems to come out right and I want a real wing.

I searched Cestra Racing, it seems the S2000 wing is the one you have, correct?

I have a new take off stock ST spoiler(as mentioned by another member, it is not really a wing) and have been looking at ways to section out the middle and build in a wing but raised up, or a full width wing, etc...but not started on it.

The TR splitter is more cosmetic than functional, yours probably could be modded like what I did to my TR.

It has been modded since to include a big duct at the rear of the undertray to that forces are up behind the engine to help pull more air out of the engine bay. I was advised by the Ford race shop manager at MMP in Utah when he saw this on the lift. I have not put in the elements to push air away from the tires yet. The rear mount/subframe brace is also a bit of a wicker bill, which he liked, to help the undertray work better. I used Alumalite, very low weight, strong and affordable as I expect to have to replace it at some point so going to make a spare splitter/undertray.

I am going to use the area below the grill that is not a 1/2" or so tall duct sealed by adding the undertray as the brake cooling inlet, right now the air just blows through it so wasted airflow and turbulence I will turn into an asset.

If not for that those Porsche brake fins are a nice easy option and could be made using some ABS sheet and a heat gun pretty easily.

I would like some side skirts but pushing the limit on the points scale, already putting the car into a fast TT class, I have to be careful to not go to the next one as it would be a tough place for a FWD tall car that I can only fit 225 track tires on.

Again, great looking car, nicely done, thanks for posting

Rick

 

[meFiSTo]

@raamaudio: That is a serious tray, Rick. Scary.

@kamakazee: There is a thread on the other forum regarding a vented CF hood from Seibon. You might find it interesting, since you are liking the CF.

Check this: http://www.fiestast.net/forum/threa...sign-(with-Heat-Extractors)?p=59088#post59088

 

[kamakazee]

Great looking car, I really like the clean black and white and some CF blend you have chosen.

I have been looking at many ideas on a real rear wing for my street/track build and may have to copy you on this, nothing else seems to come out right and I want a real wing.

I searched Cestra Racing, it seems the S2000 wing is the one you have, correct?

I have a new take off stock ST spoiler(as mentioned by another member, it is not really a wing) and have been looking at ways to section out the middle and build in a wing but raised up, or a full width wing, etc...but not started on it.

The TR splitter is more cosmetic than functional, yours probably could be modded like what I did to my TR.

It has been modded since to include a big duct at the rear of the undertray to that forces are up behind the engine to help pull more air out of the engine bay. I was advised by the Ford race shop manager at MMP in Utah when he saw this on the lift. I have not put in the elements to push air away from the tires yet. The rear mount/subframe brace is also a bit of a wicker bill, which he liked, to help the undertray work better. I used Alumalite, very low weight, strong and affordable as I expect to have to replace it at some point so going to make a spare splitter/undertray.

I am going to use the area below the grill that is not a 1/2" or so tall duct sealed by adding the undertray as the brake cooling inlet, right now the air just blows through it so wasted airflow and turbulence I will turn into an asset.

If not for that those Porsche brake fins are a nice easy option and could be made using some ABS sheet and a heat gun pretty easily.

I would like some side skirts but pushing the limit on the points scale, already putting the car into a fast TT class, I have to be careful to not go to the next one as it would be a tough place for a FWD tall car that I can only fit 225 track tires on.

Again, great looking car, nicely done, thanks for posting

Rick

Thanks Rick! Yes the S2000 wing is the one I bought since it is identical to the R5 wing. I also wanted a truly functional wing and after doing a ton of research, this was the obvious choice for me. A lot of rally/race teams are utilizing this as it is the most basic and light weight.

What you did for a front splitter is just awesome! I'll probably end up doing something similar in the future.

I just recently purchased a front and rear Wilwood BBK which Joe at 2Jracing really hooked me up with. Didn't you get the same kit, Rick? The only reason I ask is that I've heard conflicting information about the rear kit not fitting our STs...

Anyhow, your car looks fantastic. A real purpose built race car! Do you have any side profile shots of it?

 

[kamakazee]

@raamaudio: That is a serious tray, Rick. Scary.

@kamakazee: There is a thread on the other forum regarding a vented CF hood from Seibon. You might find it interesting, since you are liking the CF.

Check this: http://www.fiestast.net/forum/threa...sign-(with-Heat-Extractors)?p=59088#post59088

Lol I was drooling over that after seeing it on facebook! I'll probably pass on it though since the OEM hood isn't too heavy plus it is a sturdy reinforcement for the front end. Probably end up installing some kind of vent system in the future, similar to the focus RS. I already have so many carbon fiber parts on the car and this addition might be overkill

 

[BRGT350]

Great looking car, I really like the clean black and white and some CF blend you have chosen.

I have been looking at many ideas on a real rear wing for my street/track build and may have to copy you on this, nothing else seems to come out right and I want a real wing.

I searched Cestra Racing, it seems the S2000 wing is the one you have, correct?

I have a new take off stock ST spoiler(as mentioned by another member, it is not really a wing) and have been looking at ways to section out the middle and build in a wing but raised up, or a full width wing, etc...but not started on it.

The TR splitter is more cosmetic than functional, yours probably could be modded like what I did to my TR.

It has been modded since to include a big duct at the rear of the undertray to that forces are up behind the engine to help pull more air out of the engine bay. I was advised by the Ford race shop manager at MMP in Utah when he saw this on the lift. I have not put in the elements to push air away from the tires yet. The rear mount/subframe brace is also a bit of a wicker bill, which he liked, to help the undertray work better. I used Alumalite, very low weight, strong and affordable as I expect to have to replace it at some point so going to make a spare splitter/undertray.

I am going to use the area below the grill that is not a 1/2" or so tall duct sealed by adding the undertray as the brake cooling inlet, right now the air just blows through it so wasted airflow and turbulence I will turn into an asset.

If not for that those Porsche brake fins are a nice easy option and could be made using some ABS sheet and a heat gun pretty easily.

I would like some side skirts but pushing the limit on the points scale, already putting the car into a fast TT class, I have to be careful to not go to the next one as it would be a tough place for a FWD tall car that I can only fit 225 track tires on.

Again, great looking car, nicely done, thanks for posting

Rick

This picture is almost NSFW.

Very nicely done!

 

[meFiSTo]

Lol I was drooling over that after seeing it on facebook! I'll probably pass on it though since the OEM hood isn't too heavy plus it is a sturdy reinforcement for the front end. Probably end up installing some kind of vent system in the future, similar to the focus RS. I already have so many carbon fiber parts on the car and this addition might be overkill

Hah. That's funny! I think the hood is the only one I really would do. Well, the wing could be cool too, but I'm trying to manage the balance between street and track (with a tilt to street as the car is likely to see only 3 or 4 track weekends a year). Wing takes me down the rat hole of true splitter/tray, diffuser, etc. I want to hold the line with this thing.

I wonder about the difference between a stock hood and a CF hood, strength wise. CF is pretty stout stuff, although there is not a lot in the hood. Plus, the under structure is just plastic vs. steel for the stock hood.

Here's a video done by the Hamster illustrating the relative strength of CF (with the caveat there are MANY layers of CF making up the tested item).

 

[kamakazee]

Hah. That's funny! I think the hood is the only one I really would do. Well, the wing could be cool too, but I'm trying to manage the balance between street and track (with a tilt to street as the car is likely every to see 3 or 4 track weekends a year). Wing takes me down the rat hole of true splitter/tray, diffuser, etc. I want to hold the line with this thing.

I wonder about the difference between a stock hood and a CF hood, strenght wise. CF is pretty stout stuff, although there is not a lot in the hood. Plus, the under structure is jus plastic vs. steel for the stock hood.

Here's a video done by the Hamster illustrating the relative strength of CF (with the caveat there are MANY layers of CF making up the tested item.

That is such an awesome video! See, if our cars had all wheel drive, I could justify spending that much on a drive shaft!

 

[djdennehy]

I love this thread...

 

[BRGT350]

did you use 3M Di-Noc or 3M 1080 for the diffuser? The reviews for 1080 sounds like that might be the stuff to use for wrapping complex shapes.

 

[kamakazee]

did you use 3M Di-Noc or 3M 1080 for the diffuser? The reviews for 1080 sounds like that might be the stuff to use for wrapping complex shapes.

I choose the 3M Di-Noc because of the textured matte finish. I was told that the gloss finished carbon wraps are more prone to staining as well. Dave from Rolotech showed me an example of the staining on his personal BMW and said I was best to avoid it.

 

[BRGT350]

thanks Kamakazee. I have only used the Di-Noc in the past, but the latest reports are saying the 1080 is better for complex surfaces. I might try the 1080 on a few interior parts with complex geometry and then use the Di-Noc on the diffuser. I prefer the matte finish of the Di-Noc as well. I have a sample of 1080 coming to compare the gloss to Di-Noc before buying any for the interior. I do know the Di-Noc holds up pretty well on the exterior. I had it on my 2011 since it was new and it held up well to winter and constant abuse from road debris on the front of the car. The diffuser is better protected and it should be a great place to use it.

I spent last Saturday looking at all the dry carbon fiber on the new Ford GT and that reminded me that I need to wrap the diffuser this spring.

 

[kamakazee]

thanks Kamakazee. I have only used the Di-Noc in the past, but the latest reports are saying the 1080 is better for complex surfaces. I might try the 1080 on a few interior parts with complex geometry and then use the Di-Noc on the diffuser. I prefer the matte finish of the Di-Noc as well. I have a sample of 1080 coming to compare the gloss to Di-Noc before buying any for the interior. I do know the Di-Noc holds up pretty well on the exterior. I had it on my 2011 since it was new and it held up well to winter and constant abuse from road debris on the front of the car. The diffuser is better protected and it should be a great place to use it.

I spent last Saturday looking at all the dry carbon fiber on the new Ford GT and that reminded me that I need to wrap the diffuser this spring.

You're welcome! The dry carbon seems to be the new craze as I have seen this all on most motorcycles and cars lately. That Ford GT is a work of art! Can't wait to see more Ford Performance vehicles!

 

[Golfguy11800]

How much was the wing? I love the Fiesta R5's. They are incredible value for the money.
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[kamakazee]

How much was the wing? I love the Fiesta R5's. They are incredible value for the money.
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I paid around $650 for the wing and shipping was approximately $95. Here's the link: http://www.rallyshop.it/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21_3704_3706&products_id=26772

I agree. If I had a quarter of a million, I'd place an order into M-Sport! At least this rally car would be able to be driven over big bumps and dips at high speeds unlike most of the supercars out there.