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Fiesta ST First Track Report

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I just got back from a weekend with the BMW CCA at Summit Point Raceway in West Virginia. As always it was a great event with awesome folks and some great driving.

This was my first weekend with my FiST after a season of events in my E46 M3. I float between the intermediate and advanced group depending on the number of people, this weekend I was in intermediate and it was an interesting mix of cars. Mostly BMW's but also an F430 Scud and a 996 GT3 (more on those in a moment).

My FiST is slightly modified. I have a Cobb Stage 1 tune (93 octane), Poterfield R4 pads, SS lines, and Motul 600 fluid. I also had OZ Ultraleggera 15" wheels w/ 205 Nitto NT01's. I ran the car in sport mode saturday and full traction control off sunday.

So first the good...
The car was a hoot for the sole reason of here's this little 1.6L Ford running down a fair few number of cars out on the track. I passed the GT3 a few times and held off the F430 Scud for about 6 laps. Summit is a pretty technical course that rewards drivers over horsepower which is the only reason I stood a chance.

The torque was great out of corners and I really was about to pull away.

Body roll wasn't bad. I was expecting it to be much worse but it corners pretty flat. The seats were awesome. The steering feel was pretty good. And the grip was pretty good thanks to the tires.

Now the not-so-good...
The car is pretty unstable under high-speed braking and also does some odd things at turn-in (namely fighting and wanting to dart away from the direction of turning). Coming down the main straight from about 115mph the car twitches...a lot. And then (for those that know Summit or pull a map) between turns 2 and 3 it twitches so much that on one lap I dropped 2 wheels off and then went 4 off. No biggie, just cut some grass, but still not a great tendency.

Part of it is me trying to correct it (the squirm) and also the short wheel base, but I had 1 instructor and 1 racer drive it and both thought it was fun but not a good track car. For the reasons noted.

Generally the brakes aren't 100% up to task. I boiled the Motul on one session to the point where there was fluid in the engine bay and the brakes were smoking. It was when I was using the sport mode so I suspect the traction control was working the calipers without my input because once I turned the traction control off I didn't experience any more boil-offs like that. I also melted a brake piston seal and the calipers look pretty smoked.

Maybe someone can chime in here and tell me they've had this issue, and even better they know a fix. It's almost like the car moves the bias to the rear for a moment then sends it forward. Or maybe it's a combo of the Nittos and the race brakes up front.

A lot of this is just me debriefing and I tend to pick on the cons more than the pros. For what the car is and what it cost and what it "should" be able to do it really made a good showing and I got a lot of props.

So hopefully people get something from this. And hopefully someone can comment on the squirm and how they may have resolved it.
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Well I'm a BMW guy, so there might be Ford tricks I don't know about. But seems like it's good to go :)
Fiesta ST at ST Octane Academy had OE brake pads and rotors with Castrol SRF brake fluid. OE wheels with 205/40-17 BFG g-Force Sport COMP-2 tires. The brakes held up nicely on the East course at Miller Motorsports Park and the instructors did hot laps with AdvanceTrac in Normal mode. I was surprised they didn't run in Sport mode as I was watching the amber light blink. Attending STOA really demonstrated how capable the Fiesta ST really is on the track. The OE brake pads on the Fiesta ST remind me of the Euro Fiesta brake pads that I got for my 2011 Fiesta. They were also track worthy... and dusty and grippy.
I'm surprised they ran in regular mode because I boiled over my motul 600 in about 15 minutes. The Castrol stuff is a little better but not a huge difference in dry boiling point.

I wouldn't be surprised if the brakes took a beating in my case on account of the tires. The BFG tires you mentioned aren't all that sticky compared to an NT01 or BFG R1.

I am eager to see how the car does with the updated alignment. Stock had a lot of toe-out so hopefully lowering that will give me better turn in and braking stability.

My car, out of the box, wasn't a good car on the track. It got around quickly but didn't do things that inspired confidence. I'm really hoping the alignment tweaks sort the little things because if it does the car will be even more fun.
I'm surprised they ran in regular mode because I boiled over my motul 600 in about 15 minutes. The Castrol stuff is a little better but not a huge difference in dry boiling point.

I wouldn't be surprised if the brakes took a beating in my case on account of the tires. The BFG tires you mentioned aren't all that sticky compared to an NT01 or BFG R1.

I am eager to see how the car does with the updated alignment. Stock had a lot of toe-out so hopefully lowering that will give me better turn in and braking stability.

My car, out of the box, wasn't a good car on the track. It got around quickly but didn't do things that inspired confidence. I'm really hoping the alignment tweaks sort the little things because if it does the car will be even more fun.
I'm betting your alignment will work wonders. Report back. :)
Hey was-an-M what laptimes did you run at summit point main, thats one of my main tracks. I am thinking about buying a fiesta ST for daily and occational track use.
Thanks
Hey was-an-M what laptimes did you run at summit point main, thats one of my main tracks. I am thinking about buying a fiesta ST for daily and occational track use.
Thanks
I didn't have my data logger in the car, sorry.

I will say, that perhaps I am a bit jaded this morning because my FiST left my stranded after a caliper fell off, but I don't think it does a good job as an occasional track car. I've had a lot of brake issues and the aftermarket support, while improving, isn't there yet. If I had it to do over again I'd have bought a Mini Cooper S.
thanks for the quick reply, my family member actually has a 2014 cooper S and I had a chance to drive it a lot. Its a fun car but dynamically the car understeers and it is not playful like the earlier cooper R53. The new model is def more upscale than the previous generations, the nav is excellent. That car is a little too small for me, I need the rear doors.

Sorry about your brakes hopefully it can get fixed easily.
I still think I am gonna order the car, maybe i will see you in summit point, I usually run with NASA Mid atlantic. I mainly do time trial
Raamaudio is working some big brake company on a well sorted reasonably priced kit.
What failed on the caliper? I've beaten up on the brakes pretty well and have luckily had no problems. Also, the car I see wrecking on the track the most seems to be Minis for some reason.
What failed on the caliper? I've beaten up on the brakes pretty well and have luckily had no problems. Also, the car I see wrecking on the track the most seems to be Minis for some reason.
Minis wreck? Why? They are so easy to drive fast.
Minis wreck? Why? They are so easy to drive fast.
I think people start modding them and then get overconfident. You guys will love this though... Last time I was at Sonoma a guy wrecked his Dinan Mini and I was talking to him afterwards. He asked what I drive and I replied "A Fiesta St". He replies "Oh. It's okay, people bring all sorts of cars to the track. My friend drove a piece of crap van once and had a good time." Implying that some day I can play with the big boys who drive Minis. Some people can be ignorant.
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Minis wreck? Why? They are so easy to drive fast.
Probably like most cars that are easy to drive fast, talent runs out at some point...
Probably like most cars that are easy to drive fast, talent runs out at some point...
Oh so people over drive or lift in corners? haha. Just wondering because I may go back to a mini. Either that or the Fiesta. I can't decide.
Oh so people over drive or lift in corners? haha. Just wondering because I may go back to a mini. Either that or the Fiesta. I can't decide.
I'm sure it is driver dependent as said above.
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