Fiesta ST Vs. Lancer Evolution

Smokin said:

Also I don't believe you can get a new GTI for $19000. Of course with their faulty engine they may be heavily discounting them.
I have a 2011 GTI which cost $29,000 and even though my ST won't be in for another week or two, I am really curious to compare them performance wise.

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jariten said:

I bet you could get pretty close to 19-20k if you find a '13 GTI still on the lot. '14s here start at 22.5 and go up to 31.

I have both the cars in my driveway right now and I'd say that the GTI seems to pull harder while the ST is much more agile. The weight difference is extremely noticeable. The GTI also cooks its brakes faster on the same foothill roads that I wring them out on.

The interior is superior on the GTI, but the seats are better on the ST. I prefer the shifter on the ST, but my wife prefers the GTI. Steering I'd give to the ST. The dog definitely prefers the GTI due to a flatter cargo area, higher roofline, and easier access to the rear windows.

Both are good cars, it's really a matter of preference thing.

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jariten said:

DC metro is here so yup, USD.

I wouldn't say either of them are particularly laggy. I don't know that I could make that call. I never really do rolls or drag stuff so I'm not the best to ask. I will say that it's much easier to get power down in the ST coming out of a corner because the GTI has a much harder time rotating and has much more pronounced understeer. This is even more noticeable right now since they're both on winter tires. The GTI on winters just straight up plows and takes forever to get the nose where you need it comparatively. It's more predictable in the slush though...the ST likes to wag the rear in bends in the snow.

GTI is on X-ices ST is on Blizzaks right now FWIW.

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Purepump said:

Being a proud owners of a few nice machines, with one closely resembling the Evo being my 2001 Audi B5 RS4 and the King of the mountain being my 1994 Euro E36 M3, I can say the little new comer is standing tall and proud. Yes the power is inferior to the 420hp wagon and the weight is substantially more than my 1991 Miata. But it is the combination of the low end torque and the nimbleness of the chassis, the torque vectoring that has virtually all but killed any understeering. Or that waggy tail on sudden throttle lifts that puts a smile on my face even though I have been an FR for life (Suzuki Swift Sport was a great little mistake few years ago).

Yes the Evo would in no doubt pull harder and corner faster but having never driven one I am not qualified to make a direct comparison. But I have owned a 2000 GC8 STi RA, an 2006 GDB prior to this RS and suffice to say, these 4WD are a very different experience altogether. They gave me a sense of security and confidence came in abundance no matter what terrain or weather they face. Acceleration and outright pace is unmatched, but I never felt involved. I couldn't tell how far the adhesive limits were at mid corner or when the boost might come (NA rules here but the modern Ecoboost FiST showed very little lag).

Its all about driver involvement, interaction between human/machine/road. The Miata gave me all that but lacks the everyday refinement and practicability, the cocoon like security of a solidly build modern hatchback etc. You wouldn't go wrong in buying either but ask yourself what do you prioritize when behind the wheel?

Sorry for my poor English, its my second language and I am just someone outside of USA who find this the best FiST forum by far.

PS I would never walk away from my M3 for a FiST or any car for that matter.

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Noah said:

RS4 Avant how did you like it?
Sometimes I hate that USA can't have nice things.

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fly2low said:

Hello McRibs and All,

First time poster here. Been lurking for awhile. This might not be a good place for a fist post as people might think of me as snobbish. But, honestly , I m just an enthusiast.

I m curious on what your lineup is?

Mine is currently:
-'07 Triumph Daytona 675 - just love the sound of that triple and the skinny naked mid section.

-'03 Mitsu Evo - RRE built with a stroker engine and all. I have a hyper Jack Russell Terrier and this car in my mind is just like him: it sees something then it darts there. For posters who live in Socal and want to get an Evo but is affraid thay Mitsu USA will go under, just bring your car to reputable shops RRE has been great taking care of my car.

-'65 Mustang coupe - built with blueprinted 331 stroker, 4 sp toploader tranny with Hurst shifter, aggressive rack-pinion, and stiff suspension work.

- '13 Lexus GS350 - actually 2, his and hers. Mine is an F Sport and wifey's is "base". Our commuters. I like lighter cars and for this class this is the lightest one and more fun and balanced than F10 5er. The GS, for me, feels like a better modern version of E39 5er.

The 2 cars that I don't have the balls to buy are Daytona Coupe replica and Lotus Esprit S4S (had and S4 14 years ago. Fun but troublesome).

Now going back to topic. I really need to find time to test drive FiST as I want a fun and light hot hatch. We all know that GTi is too big and heavy. I was disappointed when I test drove FoST. It felt heavy and just not special. Well, not as disappointed as to STi hatch, though: it was pure "wtf is this heavy cushy thing and they want how much?"

For me, a car doesn't have to be expensive or fast to be exciting. I m at a point in life where I m not obsessed with objective numbers and I just want fun thrilling cars.

Evo 8 and 9 are fun cars, 10 is not. E30 and E36 M3 (and M Coupe) are fun cars . E9x M3 are not . Test drove an E90 M3 with comp pckg and I turned around after 2 blocks: felt heavy and cold. Drove a C6 Z06 and felt whats the point of this car to me personally as it delivered roughly about the same performance with my Evo, plus I really hated the seat. Toyobaru twin was an almost. It was quite exciting but that weird powerband ruined it.

A car that really excites me to the gotta-have-it level in 10 years (last one was Evo 8) is Toyota FT1 concept. That if they ever produce it AND with a real proper engine.

You compared FiST to E30 M3, hopefully I'll feel the same way too. Otherwise, I m affraid I ll end up to be one of those balding older guys driving Lotus 7 replica .

Or maybe I ll just pick up an '07+ RX-8 as I appreciate it more now, except for the early time bomb 4 port engine.

PS: Caddy ATS with 2.0t w 6sp is actually a very fun car that reminds me of E36 M3. Too expensive as a toy brand new, too small as a family hauler, though.

Thanks all for those reading my "there is nothing new under the sun" rants. Happy motoring and have a blast 3-wheeling your FiST at corners .

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totusPorcus said:

you tried a mercedes cla45 amg? an interesting automobile.. perhaps a bit too heavy, slushy based on your comments.

i bought the fist, was looking at a new c7 as a second car at the same time and im holding off because of problems. i have a modified WRX runs on e85 too.

fist is a blast to drive. well worth the price for what it is. part of the fun is its not terribly expensive but still very fun to drive. what i'd really like is a 2.0l awd, dog box sequential version.......

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fly2low said:

I will check your postings as I navigate through the threads.

I was a bmw fan and had quite a few of them until Bangle came and left and then bmw decided to chase MB and their AMG's tail. Can you believe it that nothing from their line up excited me now? I consider E86 Z4 M Coupe as the last real M car. Cautiously hoping they will do the M4 right and secretly hoping they will do M2 instead of M235i. German "muscle cars" have become very fast but cold at the same time. I swear that my '79 911SC was more fun than my '05 C2S. While I somewhat regret selling the former I don't regret at all selling the latter.

About modding cars. I usually have the patience to wait until the warranty run out. Got 2 transfer cases from Mitsu for my Evo and, although they vigilantly sent an inspector, they couldn't do anything but honored the warranty as it was bone stock. Atypical for Evos but I ve always driven this car hard as it is meant to be. Ford, and any other manufacturers, often makes boo2 in their first year production. Wise to keep the car stock for at least 18 months while driving it hard to find the weak points. Never admit voluntarily that you track the car, though. Well, that if you plan to keep the car for a long time. I knew that my evo would be a keeper: my daughter will drive it when she is old enough ha ha. Evo 8 is not that different from 9 and 9 is probably the last all-mechanical performance car mass produced. Only Lotus Elise and Exige have a better steering feel IMO.

I bet FiST will be a blast to drive at the technical Streets.

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fly2low said:

Too small for a family duty, no manual for toy. For awd turbo german lux cars in this class, i m more interested in '14 Audi S3, better, the mechanically identical '15 golf r that will be available with manual. But then I already have an awd turbo car. Dont think i want one but i never say never until driving one.

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fly2low said:

From what I read, the mk7 2015 golf r will have a fully turnoff-able stability control.

Gosh, where did I put that $750 coupon from Ford? Did my wife throw it away. With the multiple rebates and dealers around here selling about $500 below invoice before rebates, I could really buy this car.

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