[drop360]

Hey guys! Is anyone else really curious to read comparison reviews of these cars head-to-head? I can't be the only one cross-shopping these two cars.

Reviews of both have been stellar. I may test drive an ST, but I won't be trading in my current ride until I get a chance to drive the new GTI next summer. Any other ST fans thinking along the same lines as me?

 

[xorpheous]

Ask @Smokin about the GTI. :rage:

 

[Mikeygti]

Hey guys! Is anyone else really curious to read comparison reviews of these cars head-to-head? I can't be the only one cross-shopping these two cars.

Reviews of both have been stellar. I may test drive an ST, but I won't be trading in my current ride until I get a chance to drive the new GTI next summer. Any other ST fans thinking along the same lines as me?

As good as it may be, not even in the same ball park in Canada in terms of pricing.
A loaded GTI is pushing 40 large without any financing incentives.:woot:
The FiST is a preformance BARGAIN !

 

[wash]

My sister had a VW that was nothing but trouble and I knew people who built a VR6 dragster to dominate the import drags.

My overall impression is that VWs are fussy and expensive but ok to nice when they are working.

Fords aren't very fancy but they generally just work.

Not very easy to compare especially with the price difference.

Also VW tuner parts seem pretty darn expensive for what they are.

 

[mrtn]

I had a 2010 mk6 GTI it was nice but very expensive. The interior was nice as well. BUT it was the worst built car I have owned. The driver side a pillar cover kept falling off. There was terrible wind/water penetration through the door jambs when at highway speeds. The radio/touchscreen stopped working. They did not wire the parking lights from factory. The turbo rattled. And it was missing rubber door grommets on delivery. Everything was fixed but I sold the car in 2011. (Not because of those problem though, after they were fixed the car was great... Except for the window motor failing on the new owner a few months after I sold it to him)

Built in Germany means nothing to me now. But the new mk7 golf and GTI will be built in Mexico.

 

[DSC]

I'm in the same boat as well. To me, the hot hatch has always been a GTI. I drove my friends 2012 GTI Autobahn, and that thing is nice (although its $34K). Reviews of the GTI have been positive, especially with the LSD (but then again aren't all reviews of new cars positive?). Pricing should be around $26.5K ($24.5K-ish for the base plus $1K for the LSD). FiST with Recaros are gonna be around $25.5K, so to me it'll be on how good of a deal I can get on a FiST.

 

[SCK]

As good as it may be, not even in the same ball park in Canada in terms of pricing.
A loaded GTI is pushing 40 large without any financing incentives.:woot:
The FiST is a preformance BARGAIN !

Agreed. The closest competitor price wise in Canada is the Civic Si, which is what I'm cross shopping it with. The FiST is obviously the better handler, but the Civic has its advantages.

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[Fiat slayer]

Ask @Smokin about the GTI. :rage:

GTI's are a joke and where I live there everywhere

 

[Devon]

Doubt you are going to see these 2 in a 2 way comparison from the pros since the Focus ST is the more natural match to the GTI. In a multi-car comparisons of the type a few of the buff rags do it might happen, though it will be at least a year wait for that.

 

[WRC Fan]

The Ford and VW hot-hatch lines, overlap each other, but they are sort of in half-steps in both price and performance:

Fiesta ST > VW GTI > Focus ST > Golf R

Now, if Ford will just add the final piece of the performance puzzle: Focus RS

 

[Devon]

I would not put the Focus ST in a class ahead of the GTI. C&D did a comparison test of the two in Europe about a month ago and the GTI (with the e-LSD Performance Package) basically stomped the Focus into the ground on nearly every attribute tested.

 

[WRC Fan]

I would not put the Focus ST in a class ahead of the GTI. C&D did a comparison test of the two in Europe about a month ago and the GTI (with the e-LSD Performance Package) basically stomped the Focus into the ground on nearly every attribute tested.

That was the MKVII GTI, which isn't on sale in the US yet. Which is why I ranked them the way I did. And, when you look at their test from last year:

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2013-ford-focus-st-vs-2012-volkswagen-gti-comparison-test

The Focus beat out the MKVI GTI.

 

[xorpheous]

Critically low oil pressure under lateral loads for the GTI negates any consideration for that car. Saw the effects first-hand. ...not pretty.

 

[Smokin]

Critically low oil pressure under lateral loads for the GTI negates any consideration for that car. Saw the effects first-hand. ...not pretty.

I'm proud to say that me and Xorph are autocross buddies out here in KC....

For those who haven't seen some earlier posts, APR (Audi-Porsche Racing) was having engine troubles in their Continental Tire VW GTI so did an oil pressure test. They printed the results online 6/3/13. Check it out at www.goapr.com. It shows the oil pressure in the VW engine drops critically low during lateral acceleration (going fast around curves). Less than 10 psi. Normal is 35-45 psi. The result: Catastrophic engine failure, namely crank or rod bearing failure. If you like spirited driving (and why would you be reading this if you didn't), you go around a cloverleaf, on-off ramps and twisty-bits driving a GTI with some level of high throttle application, you will cause bearing damage. It all adds up and one day the engine will go kablooey, as my 2011 with 32,000 miles did on 6/1/13......
The intake manifold flappers also break, so I'm just waiting for one more big breakdown from my 2011 VW GTI and we're going Lemon Law!!!

As my psychiatrist friend said about that girl one time, RUN! Don't walk. RUN!

 

[Smokin]

Oh, and one more thing....I have enough experience I can say this with confidence: The GTI will outperform the Focus ST in autocross.
The Fiesta ST will definitely outperform the GTI in autocross....I'm estimating 2-2 1/2 seconds on a 50 second course...
The tire people will need to get some appropriate tire sizes, but that won't be long...

 

[Devon]

That was the MKVII GTI, which isn't on sale in the US yet. Which is why I ranked them the way I did. And, when you look at their test from last year:

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2013-ford-focus-st-vs-2012-volkswagen-gti-comparison-test

The Focus beat out the MKVI GTI.

Basically anyone who buys a new GTI now (without some heavy discounting) rather than wait 9 months for the new one which is so much better is a little on the thick side...

 

[Devon]

Interesting. I have got to believe that the Mk 7 GTI addresses this issue, it's such a big one. More interested in the new Golf R anyways but keeping this info on hand.

I'm proud to say that me and Xorph are autocross buddies out here in KC....

For those who haven't seen some earlier posts, APR (Audi-Porsche Racing) was having engine troubles in their Continental Tire VW GTI so did an oil pressure test. They printed the results online 6/3/13. Check it out at www.goapr.com. It shows the oil pressure in the VW engine drops critically low during lateral acceleration (going fast around curves). Less than 10 psi. Normal is 35-45 psi. The result: Catastrophic engine failure, namely crank or rod bearing failure. If you like spirited driving (and why would you be reading this if you didn't), you go around a cloverleaf, on-off ramps and twisty-bits driving a GTI with some level of high throttle application, you will cause bearing damage. It all adds up and one day the engine will go kablooey, as my 2011 with 32,000 miles did on 6/1/13......
The intake manifold flappers also break, so I'm just waiting for one more big breakdown from my 2011 VW GTI and we're going Lemon Law!!!

As my psychiatrist friend said about that girl one time, RUN! Don't walk. RUN!