[raamaudio]

Had to make a change as the Avanti is a bit to tight for the BBK setup I am working on so now will have these on the way, hopefully delivered on Friday.

Konig Dial In, 15x9, +35mm, 13lbs, just $134 each and roll formed so very strong!

I like the looks of the Avanti better but it was pointed out to me the centers might not be as strong since they would be better as a 5 bolt, not 4 bolt pattern and a tight fit over the BBK.

15x9 +35, 12.2 lbs, roll formed like top Enkei, some BBS, etc.....$141 each, 4x100, why I had my hubs rebored to 4x100

This is going to be a tight fit but far better support for the very wide 225 tires I will be running on the track. Race and some street tires are far wider than the numbers on them make them seem to be, this is pure race politics but it is what it is so why not take advantage of it

I will be doing some serious fender pulling, more in the front and might even have to put a steering limiter in for track days but that is no big deal, we do not have to turn the wheels that far on track.

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I am really quite surprised others have not changed the bolt patten on their cars, simply missing out on a vast world of wheel options and it does not cost much to do it!

Have a great rest of the weekend,
Rick, 62 today and loving life

 

[djdennehy]

Very Nice...

 

[RodMoe]

Happy Bday Buddy and Looks sharp I like the weight loss too

 

[Drifter]

Very very nice!!

 

[kamakazee]

Happy birthday man, those wheels will look great on your ST!

 

[wash]

Looking for info, I saw the Konig Dial In which is also a flow formed wheel in 15*9 with et 35 or 36 but supposedly even more brake clearance.

Its a 12 spoke which I think looks nicer with 4 lugs and only weighs a hair more.

I'm anxious to see what you have to do to your fenders.

 

[raamaudio]

I am pretty sure the wheels I ordered have the most brake clearance but I may of got that that mixed up as did not have my notes on hand and looking at every single aspect of this car, tons of mods.........

I will be embarrassed if I bought the wrong set of wheels! I will have to call the place I ordered them from in the AM to make sure. I like the style of these better than the Konig but have Konig Feathers for the street so sticking with the same brand would be cool in a way.

Dial in is my least favorite design out of the available 15x9 wheels.

I like the Johnbloed style the best but $199 each, not yet available, 14lbs......and the hub bores are to small so have to be machined out to fit out cars....

I have really liked these wheels but they are making new molds, etc....probably to lower the weight and go to rolled forming to still be competitive now that other wheels are so easy to get and cheaper. 13.6 lbs, $189, new model out by fall........

 

[wash]

The Advanti's are the lightest that are available now I think.

If you got them from Goodwin, they are the ones who said the Koenig has the most clearance.

The 6ul and Team Dynamics 1.2 (I think) are said to have good clearance (in 15*9 on the 6ul) but the 6ul isn't available and the Team Dynamics aren't terribly light.

I'm not sure about the Yongbloed, I might try calling, the distributor seems to be in my area code.

 

[wash]

I've got a weird almost OCD thing, the Advanti was clearly designed to be a five lug wheel. That's understandable but if you look at the four lug drilling, its not aligned with the spokes.

In my mind at least one diagonal pair should align.

The Dial In aligns all four lugs with a spoke so when I look at the hub my brain says "that's OK".

I would have to see them side by side on a car to get an opinion about anything outside of the center because they are fairly similar...

 

[raamaudio]

I guess I just plain forgot

If you look at the Avanti they have ribs by each lug location that would give them more strength so I think they would be OK.

I like the looks much better, not crazy how the spokes are sticking out from the rim edge at the ends as obviously that has little effect on the strength, they could of made them flush and look better.

I really do not line the curved ends of the Konig, maybe that is why I got them mixed up.......

Let me know if you find out anything about the JongBloed, I have known of that brand for years and they do look dang fine though weight a bit more still not bad for a 15x9.

To bad their is not a good fender kit for these cars and the 15x10 6ul is not available, I would run 255 or 265 tires on them most likely

Thanks
Rick

 

[McRib 1s Back]

In to see your fender work!

This car makes people do crazy stuff. Seriously, I've purchased two additional sets of wheels and I'm about to buy another! I'm leery of the hub conversion, but totally see the draw! I'm going with big brakes, so it's back to 17"+ rims again...

 

[wash]

To me, the Dial In looks better than the Helium and Feather.

I'm not too bothered by the curved spokes.

The Advanti looks very nice until I get to the hub area and then I develop a facial tick and my OCD kicks in. Its probably just me...

Any way, if you have luck fitting the 15*9 Advanti, I'll probably order up a set of gold Dial In wheels.

As for the big brake kit, I was initially thinking about 12.19" front rotors but that requires 16" wheels. If I go to a 11.75" rotor which is a popular size, I might be able to fit that under a 15" wheel which should be enough for everything except possibly endurance racing.

I would much rather have a 11.75*1.25" rotor than a 13*0.81" rotor. The thermal mass should be similar, the rotational moment should be quite a bit less and the cooling vents should be more efficient.

Any way, the dream is inexpensive light weight wheels with a wide selection of inexpensive sticky rubber and a reasonably priced BBK that uses inexpensive rotors and pads and can reject a lot of heat.

Miatas have setups like that, we need it too. The re-drilled hubs and a good BBK that fits are what we need to get there. As long as we can figure out how to get the wheels to fit, we are very close.

 

[raamaudio]

I was looking at the thicker rotors but was talked into the thinner ones by the brake guy and he as a ton of experience putting kits together and for racers not just street stuff......I am still leaning towards the thicker ones though.

I am going to go look at them again to ensure I could get the rotors, hats, calipers to all match up.

Since he cannot do much on this for now as the race season has him very busy I might buy the rotors, hats, calipers, etc...and mock up my own mount design for the calipers and have them made locally.

 

[raamaudio]

I have been talking and just yesterday, Sunday, emails with Brian Goodwin, the Miata guy, about brakes fitting the wheels and he was able to confirm the 11.75 will fit under the Avanti wheels, close but will work Since the Konigs are not in yet I am going to go ahead and get the Avanti set.

 

[raamaudio]

There is absolutely no issue with re boring the hubs to fit 4x100 wheels that I am concerned with, really

 

[wash]

The Miata brakes are encouraging but I think the Miata uses a double wishbone front suspension which makes for different packaging issues than our FWD MacPherson strut setup.

I think our biggest issue is going to be keeping the caliper from hitting the inside of the spokes. My initial calculations suggest that a 1.25" rotor with a FNSLR caliper will need 0.44" more axial spoke clearance than the 0.81" DP6 setup which is a fairly close fit with stock wheels. That's assuming that the inside face of the rotor stays in the same place. If we are lucky it can be moved inboard by a few thousandths. If we are unlucky the caliper will run in to the knuckle or not fit because of the bracket geometry.

I have my fingers crossed because I really want a good BBK under really light wheels with cheap rubber.

 

[raamaudio]

My main concern was the barrel diameter of the wheels. Next is figuring out the right hat offset to clear the spokes of the wheels and the knuckles, etc...already done with the 12.19" kit for the Fiesta, just have to figure out the differences if using a wider rotor now

Of course there is more to the story, having the wheels here will help sort it out. I can take the knuckle and hub off the car and bolt to the wheels and then really see what room there is, measure everything, etc......

I have been looking at all the calipers offered that fit a 1.25" wide rotor in 11.75" diameter, have to verify how far they go past the rotors to know the gap to the wheels.

Fun stuff

 

[raamaudio]

One of the calipers I am looking into, piston area has to be correct of course or have to change the master cylinder or maybe a bias adjuster for the rears.....fronts......

The piston area of this caliper is the same as the area of the DP6 used with the Fiesta kit, one more part solved it seems

It is the super lite narrow caliper, .65 thick pads, costs initially for the calipers.

The DP6 pads are just .49" so pad costs will be higher with the DP6, per mile, or smile

Outside radius is the same for both calipers, it is 6.77" with the 11.75" rotors. 13.54" total might make for a tight fit under 15's but as long as it does and just a bit of gap for any flex, etc....

 

[wash]

Yep, FNSLR = Forged Narrow Super Light Radial mount.

 

[raamaudio]

If we can make these fit under a wide 15" wheel it will be a killer brake setup with 11.75" x 1.25" rotors.

I have the fog lights out and some lined brake duct hose on hand to start the cooling system build. pretty easy really though I removed the washer tank to make more room on that side for the hose. I am installing a 2 qt washer bottle and pump in the rear of the car.

I will just stuff a rubber ball in the inlets when not on track.