Just got my ST yesterday! Couple things I noticed that I don't like (so far)

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mcummings182

Discussion Starter · Oct 1, 2013

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After thinking I wouldn't be able to get an ST, I actually got one yesterday and it's the exact one I wanted! There's only a couple things that I have noticed that could have been a little better (so far lol)

The trunk is way smaller than my 2011 hatchback. For some reason, the piece you pull up to get to the spare tire is way too high up. I think it's really unnecessary. It's hard to explain what I'm talking about unless you see the 2 in comparison in person. My hatchback had 2 12 inch subs, I don't think you can even fit any in the ST because the height is so different.

The other thing is I don't like how the my ford touch is set up. I hate how it has the screen split into 4 sections, it just looks stupid. I looked at the display options and I don't think there is any way you can change it (does anyone know if you can?) At least you can put any picture as your wallpaper (as long as it's 800 x 350 or something like that)

My girlfriend has a Chevy Cruze, and I like the MyLink setup way better than My Touch. Here are some pics of how I wish My Touch looked.

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Sil3nt611

· #21 · Oct 4, 2013

reddog99 said:
And why did Ford choose to bury the fuel funnel UNDER the spare? Another bad idea. I decided to flip the tire over and place the jack assembly on top where it's more easily accessible.

Do you find yourself using something other than gas stations to fill up your car often? I've been driving for over 7 years with 2 different cars and I can't say I've ever needed to fill up the car any other way than to use the gas station nozzle. I keep an eye on the fuel gauge as to not run out of gas on the road. Only thing I can think of that you would need the funnel for regularly enough that it's a big deal they put the funnel under the spare is if you put in additives to the gas, though I'm not real sure why on that either.

mcummings182

Discussion Starter · #22 · Oct 4, 2013

I couldn't either until I realized you have to pull it towards you instead of trying to push it back towards the seats.

BRGT350

· #23 · Oct 4, 2013

Sil3nt611 said:
Do you find yourself using something other than gas stations to fill up your car often? I've been driving for over 7 years with 2 different cars and I can't say I've ever needed to fill up the car any other way than to use the gas station nozzle. I keep an eye on the fuel gauge as to not run out of gas on the road. Only thing I can think of that you would need the funnel for regularly enough that it's a big deal they put the funnel under the spare is if you put in additives to the gas, though I'm not real sure why on that either.

The funnel is needed for some gas pumps that have a non-standard nozzle. The twin trap doors in the capless filler require the correct size fuel nozzel to open the doors and allow the fuel tank to be accessed. I have found 2 stations in 4 years that had nozzles that would not allow the secondary trap door to open. The funnel in the trunk is designed to activate the doors in the filler neck. In both cases, the gas stations were way out in the middle of nowhere. Also, if you need to add fuel system cleaner or any additives, you will need the funnel to open the trap doors. A typical funnel isn't sized properly to open the doors. It is odd that during original Fiesta Movement training, the capless fuel system was a major talking point and we had to demonstrate that we could use the funnel to trigger the doors. In the second round of the program, it was never mentioned. If it wasn't for the original training, I would have never known any of this about the capless fuel system. After buying 2 cars with the system, nobody at the dealer ever talked about why the funnel is there or needed.

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kvetcha

· #24 · Oct 4, 2013

mcummings182 said:
I couldn't either until I realized you have to pull it towards you instead of trying to push it back towards the seats.

Aha! That was it.

That gap below the seats is hilarious, though.

mcummings182

Discussion Starter · #25 · Oct 4, 2013

kvetcha said:
Aha! That was it.

That gap below the seats is hilarious, though.

Yea that part sucks, Just have to make sure you don't put anything small back there cause it would probably roll under the seats

kvetcha

· #26 · Oct 4, 2013

Yeah, that's silly. I might have to make something to put back there.

Sil3nt611

· #27 · Oct 4, 2013

BRGT350 said:
The funnel is needed for some gas pumps that have a non-standard nozzle. The twin trap doors in the capless filler require the correct size fuel nozzel to open the doors and allow the fuel tank to be accessed. I have found 2 stations in 4 years that had nozzles that would not allow the secondary trap door to open. The funnel in the trunk is designed to activate the doors in the filler neck. In both cases, the gas stations were way out in the middle of nowhere. Also, if you need to add fuel system cleaner or any additives, you will need the funnel to open the trap doors. A typical funnel isn't sized properly to open the doors. It is odd that during original Fiesta Movement training, the capless fuel system was a major talking point and we had to demonstrate that we could use the funnel to trigger the doors. In the second round of the program, it was never mentioned. If it wasn't for the original training, I would have never known any of this about the capless fuel system. After buying 2 cars with the system, nobody at the dealer ever talked about why the funnel is there or needed.

I didn't even know some gas station nozzes were different... When I get my car I'll make sure not to fill up in the middle of nowhere.

I know salesman don't ever go over every feature of the car with you, and a lot of the time they either don't know the feature is there or it's not a big deal to them so they don't say anything about it I guess... I've been on several Fiesta test drives and never head a thing about the capless system either. When I went on my ST test drive I told the salesman about the dual height floor and he'd never heard of it. Of course being so difficult to actually get it in the lower position it almost seems as it Ford didn't really specifically design it to be a dual height floor...and I gave up trying to wiggle it in there after awhile. That being said I probably knew a good portion more about the ST by the time I took the test drive than any salesman will ever know.

RodMoe

· #28 · Oct 4, 2013

This is why you need to read the lil book in the glove box...:mischievous:
And even that isn't always correct .... I do love hearing a sale person tell me what I kinda already know ....

BRGT350

· #29 · Oct 4, 2013

Sil3nt611 said:
I didn't even know some gas station nozzes were different... When I get my car I'll make sure not to fill up in the middle of nowhere. I know salesman don't ever go over every feature of the car with you, and a lot of the time they either don't know the feature is there or it's not a big deal to them so they don't say anything about it I guess... I've been on several Fiesta test drives and never head a thing about the capless system either. When I went on my ST test drive I told the salesman about the dual height floor and he'd never heard of it. Of course being so difficult to actually get it in the lower position it almost seems as it Ford didn't really specifically design it to be a dual height floor...and I gave up trying to wiggle it in there after awhile. That being said I probably knew a good portion more about the ST by the time I took the test drive than any salesman will ever know.

It a very rare find to get a gas nozzle that won't fit. I think both times were on old pumps and not your typical big-name gas stations. I have never had an issue with those. Chances are very good that you won't need the funnel for refueling. Adding a fuel cleaner would be more realistic.

I was at a dealership yesterday getting new tires put on the ST and nobody in the shop knew what the car was or that they are available. I knew vastly more about the car than anyone I talked to at the dealership. I have had my white Fiesta mistaken for a ST at dealerships.

In some regards, the dual floor thing wasn't supposed to be a dual floor. The regular Fiesta with smaller spare tire has a foam organizer under the floor. Since the foam thing won't fit on the ST, you get open space between the chassis floor and hatch floor. You could take the foam out of the regular Fiesta and lower the floor just the same as the ST, except it would fit better due to the smaller spare tire size. I have thought about getting black automotive carpet and adding velcro that would cover the spot that is open with the floor in the top or bottom position. I am sure I can come up with something that will work.

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reddog99

· #30 · Oct 5, 2013

OK, today I removed the spare tire and measured the depth of the spare tire well, and the width of the tire;

The wheel well (at the front area) is approx. 6 1/2 " deep (it's closer to 8" deep at the rear).
The 185/60R15 spare tire is nearly 8" wide at it's widest point. In addition, the tire wedges itself against the left & right sides of the well, so it can't fit all the way down. There's maybe a 3/8" gap under the tire.

So that explains why our load floor cannot lay flat. The car that BRGT350 drives must have either a smaller spare tire or a deeper storage well. The rest of us will need to either get a smaller tire, or to get out a sledge hammer and do some sheet metal re-forming. :happy:

kvetcha

· #31 · Oct 5, 2013

reddog99 said:
OK, today I removed the spare tire and measured the depth of the spare tire well, and the width of the tire;

The wheel well (at the front area) is approx. 6 1/2 " deep (it's closer to 8" deep at the rear).
The 185/60R15 spare tire is nearly 8" wide at it's widest point. In addition, the tire wedges itself against the left & right sides of the well, so it can't fit all the way down. There's maybe a 3/8" gap under the tire.

So that explains why our load floor cannot lay flat. The car that BRGT350 drives must have either a smaller spare tire or a deeper storage well. The rest of us will need to either get a smaller tire, or to get out a sledge hammer and do some sheet metal re-forming. :happy:

It actually does fit, but you have to pull it forward rather than wedge it back against the seats. It leaves a rather amusing gap, but it is level.

reddog99

· #32 · Oct 5, 2013

OK, I see what you saying, except you mean that the load floor has to be pulled/wiggled towards the REAR of the car. That way, the front corners partially dis-engage from the locating slots and allow the rear of the shelf to drop down. I tried it on mine and it does work, along with the stupid gaps that you noted. Anything smaller than a grocery bag is going to drop down into there...

BRGT350

· #33 · Oct 6, 2013

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reddog99 said:
OK, today I removed the spare tire and measured the depth of the spare tire well, and the width of the tire;

The wheel well (at the front area) is approx. 6 1/2 " deep (it's closer to 8" deep at the rear).
The 185/60R15 spare tire is nearly 8" wide at it's widest point. In addition, the tire wedges itself against the left & right sides of the well, so it can't fit all the way down. There's maybe a 3/8" gap under the tire.

So that explains why our load floor cannot lay flat. The car that BRGT350 drives must have either a smaller spare tire or a deeper storage well. The rest of us will need to either get a smaller tire, or to get out a sledge hammer and do some sheet metal re-forming. :happy:

I have the same spare tire and the same chassis stamping, so that isn't a correct theory.

ST spare tire comparison by Bryan Redeker BRGT350, on Flickr

ST spare tire comparison by Bryan Redeker BRGT350, on Flickr

ST spare tire comparison by Bryan Redeker BRGT350, on Flickr

ST spare tire comparison by Bryan Redeker BRGT350, on Flickr

Floor placement on my 2011 Fiesta

ST spare tire comparison by Bryan Redeker BRGT350, on Flickr

ST spare tire comparison by Bryan Redeker BRGT350, on Flickr

ST spare tire comparison by Bryan Redeker BRGT350, on Flickr

ST spare tire comparison by Bryan Redeker BRGT350, on Flickr

As you can see, the floor in the lower position is about the same as it is on the 2011-13 cars, as I had said earlier. It may be about .50" or so higher in the ST from the wider spare tire.

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wash

· #34 · Oct 6, 2013

Can you make a video?

I haven't tried very hard but one time I was fooling around and couldn't figure out how to get it in the lower position.

I'm sure I was doing something wrong and I've been too busy using the car to read the manual but I'm not going to learn without seeing how its done, especially where the front and rear corners go, there were some plastic bits that seemed to block me there.

D1JL

· #35 · Oct 6, 2013

I need to carry things for my work and I prefer that the cargo floor be in the lowest position all the time.
I have already removed the floor board.
I would remove the plastic position blocks but there is still a metal support and I don't want to cut up the rear seat mounts.
My plan is to make a new floor that will sit just above the spare and then trim a cargo mat to fit.

Dave

kvetcha

· #36 · Oct 6, 2013

reddog99 said:
OK, I see what you saying, except you mean that the load floor has to be pulled/wiggled towards the REAR of the car. That way, the front corners partially dis-engage from the locating slots and allow the rear of the shelf to drop down. I tried it on mine and it does work, along with the stupid gaps that you noted. Anything smaller than a grocery bag is going to drop down into there...

Yeah. By "forward" I meant toward myself.

I'm thinking of ways to jerry-rig a cover for the gap. We'll see.

Bluto

· #37 · Oct 6, 2013

kvetcha said:
Aha! That was it.

That gap below the seats is hilarious, though.

Got mine in the lower position OK too after reading this thread, but definitely need to do something about the gap, lost a cell phone for a month or two that way on a Mustang which was expensive and NOT so hilarious:grumpy:....plan to experiment with a length of swim noodle or pipe insulation etc. (trimmed to fit perfectly)...will post a photo if it works out OK

Mikeygti

· #38 · Oct 6, 2013

With all that they got right with this car, I'm definitely scratching my head about the rear cargo area. Not sure what they were thinking.

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D1JL

· #39 · Oct 6, 2013

Mikeygti said:
With all that they got right with this car, I'm definitely scratching my head about the rear cargo area. Not sure what they were thinking.

This has been my thought from day one.

Dave

kvetcha

· #40 · Oct 6, 2013

Mikeygti said:
With all that they got right with this car, I'm definitely scratching my head about the rear cargo area. Not sure what they were thinking.

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I believe I heard it was a money thing. They would have had to redesign and produce a unique cargo liner thanks to the full sized spare. Wasn't worth the investment, I guess.

The aftermarket should be able to handle it.

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